Hey, folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast Inside Rail. I am very excited to have with me

returning guests to Dark Horse, Michael Shurnimer, who is the publisher of Skeptic Magazine

and the executive director of the Skeptic Society. Welcome back to Dark Horse.

Nice to be back. Nice to see you, bro. Where are you? Aren't you on some island somewhere

now? I am on a deserted island. Did you buy your own island? You're not like Epstein with all

that secret money, are you? Oh my God, no. No, I live on an island. There are thousands of other

people on it too. But anyway, it's lovely and very inconvenient.

So were we able to get you a copy of the book? I have it right here. Though I will say,

I was struck by the fact that your publisher who sent me the book has taken a very aggressive stance on free will

in the book that is somewhat in contradiction to your own perspective. I am assured that this

copy is one I cannot sell, which implies that I obviously could sell it. Wait, they sent you

a bound galley?

Well, that's weird because, well, maybe they just didn't get it in time because the hard copies are now. I just got mine last couple days ago. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Well, anyway, I've been enjoying looking through it. There's a ton for us to talk about here. I don't know how you want to set things in motion, tell people what your book is about, but I'm interested in talking about, of course, religion, free will, and, you know,

the central thesis of your book about truth and why it still matters and how to grapple with it. I think those

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