Coming up on the Mark Devine Show.

To me, it's moving from an intervention-based model, where we hope at the last second that

someone's going to call the suicide crisis line, like it's good to have that we need intervention

and I'm not saying we should get rid of it.

But to me, let's take those resources and put them into prevention and education.

This is the Mark Devine Show, this is your host, Mark Devine, and this show I speak to

notable folks from all walks of life, including martial arts, grandmasters,

stoic philosophers, motivational scientists, and folks who helped veterans who were suffering

from post-traumatic stress, like my yesterday, Mark Mushard.

Mark's a police officer in Canada, with over 15 years of experience, and he's currently

with Canada's National Police Force, the RCMP.

He was a SWAT operator and a medic, and he's developed a patch of her mental health after

suffering his own psychological injury back in time of 15.

And then he's taught dozens of mental health training sessions, and spent seven years

of the peer support member.

And he's just recently written a book called Setting My Sites on Stigma Thoughts from an

Injured Mind.

Mark is creating a course on police culture and lethal force decisions for the first

responder behavioral health initiative.

Mark, thanks so much for joining me on the Mark Devine Show.

It's really great to see you and to meet you and appreciate you doing this.

Thanks a lot, Mark.

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