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if something goes wrong. Hey guys, it's me, Javier, and guess who's

birthday it is? It's... pretends birthday. Pretend it is four years old, and I wanted

to celebrate with a special episode, so I invited only one friend to my party, and that

Jules Haniferd from the Fool Me Twice podcast, which is a true crime podcast about con artists,

which we all love. Season two of Fool Me Twice is coming out, and Jules lives in Hong Kong,

and on the other side of the world, and today is my Friday, and today is her Saturday morning.

It's by Friday night, Saturday morning, trying to arrange a Zoom call was a nightmare,

but we made it happen. Welcome, Jules. Hey, Javier, thank you so much for having me on the show.

It's great to see you, and I'm so honored to be here, and I have loved your podcast over the years.

I don't know which season is my favorite, but I just couldn't wait for every episode. I love it.

So, and it's so interesting that we've both done podcasts on con artists. I know, it's weird.

What does it say about us? And I guess we're not the only ones invited to the birthday party.

All of you who are listening are part of, pretends four-year-old birthday party.

Happy birthday. Happy anniversary for four years. It's amazing that you've been doing it for so long.

Can you believe that we've been doing it for so long? Because it's not just me doing it for so long.

I mean, you've been a podcaster with your original podcast, which was Hong Kong confidential.

I mean, how long have you been doing podcasts?

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