Preston Perry CALLS OUT Hebrew Israelites, The Attack On "Empathy" & Idolatry
The Deep End With Lecrae
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4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Apologist and evangelist Preston Perry joins Lecrae on The Deep End for a raw and thoughtful conversation about defending the faith without losing compassion. From debating Hebrew Israelites and Muslims to raising kids in a spiritual war, Preston breaks down why winning arguments isn't the same as winning souls — and how empathy, truth, and obedience work together in evangelism.
They dive deep into:
- The difference between apologetics and argument
- How to spot the line between boldness and pride
- Reaching people who've been hurt by religion
- What Christians get wrong about empathy
- The truth about Hebrew Israelites, Islam, and false religions
- Breaking generational curses and fatherhood in a dark world
- The controversy around Charlie Kirk, race, and idolatry in the church
If you've ever wondered how to stand firm in truth while still leading with love — this episode will challenge and encourage you to do both.
Let's go to the Deep End!
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| 0:00.0 | The black community has idols, the white community has eyes. |
| 0:04.0 | And people do not like their idols getting polled. |
| 0:06.0 | No. |
| 0:07.0 | And the truth is, we want human heroes so bad and forgiveness. |
| 0:11.0 | God already gave us one of the first of Christ. |
| 0:14.0 | That's the truth. |
| 0:16.0 | You still rolling? |
| 0:17.0 | Okay, yeah. |
| 0:18.0 | Put that in there. |
| 0:19.0 | Philip Mitchell had tens of thousands of people for prayer. |
| 0:22.9 | Hundreds of Hebrew Israelites stormed in protest. What is happening? |
| 0:27.6 | Let me just break down how illogical their theology is. What they essentially do, to put it |
| 0:32.4 | simple, is... I've dealt with a lot of criticism. Man, what are you afraid of? Just say it. Just say the thing. Is there a place for empathy? God became a human to feel, right? And so he just didn't come and give us the Torah. Your conduct doesn't have to be offensive. Your tone doesn't have to be offensive because the gospel is offensive enough. Anytime you go from what men are affectionate for, they'll come for you. |
| 0:55.6 | If I'm just being honest, one of the reasons why me and you had our first hard conversations back of the day was... |
| 1:00.5 | This is the deep end with La Cray. |
| 1:10.0 | We're going to break for brick. We're going to break for Rick, we're going to break for brick. |
| 1:13.6 | We're going to Rick for Rick. |
| 1:15.6 | Yeah. |
| 1:16.6 | Stack it up, stack it up, stack it up. |
| 1:18.6 | Stack it up, stack it up, stack it up. |
| 1:21.6 | Stacking up, stack it up, stack it up. |
| 1:22.6 | Stack it up, stack it up. |
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