Presidential power over independent agencies
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🗓️ 7 February 2025
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President Donald Trump’s firings of dozens of government officials have raised questions about whether or not those moves are legal. As a continuation of conversations from earlier today, it could be part of a broader attempt to overturn a legal precedent regarding presidential powers over independent commissions. Also: Secretary of State Marco Rubio on fees for U.S. vessels entering the Panama Canal and the outlook for Honeywell’s aerospace spinoff.
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| 0:00.0 | How much power should presidents have over independent agencies? |
| 0:06.1 | For Marketplace, I'm Novosafo and for David Brancaccio. |
| 0:09.6 | President Trump's firings of dozens of government officials have raised questions about whether or not those moves are legal. |
| 0:16.6 | This week, one lawsuit is challenging the president's power over the various agencies set up by Congress to regulate all sorts of things, from stock markets to telecommunications. |
| 0:26.4 | Gwynne Wilcox is suing the Trump administration for removing her from the National Labor Relations Board before her five-year term expired. |
| 0:34.9 | No president has done that before in the 90-year history of the bipartisan board. |
| 0:39.7 | Last week, Trump also removed two members of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, all Democrats. |
| 0:45.9 | The NLRB-related lawsuit could pave the way for the Supreme Court to weigh in, |
| 0:49.6 | and Rachel C, who previously served as counsel at the EEOC and the NLRB, says the stakes are high. |
| 0:57.8 | I think the firings that we saw are an attempt to set up the Supreme Court to overrule a case from |
| 1:04.0 | 1935 called Humphreys Executor, which limited the power of the president to fire members of some independent commissions. |
| 1:14.5 | I think conservative legal scholars have wanted the Supremes to overrule Humphreys for a while. |
| 1:22.0 | There's been multiple attempts to get the Supreme Court to revisit it, |
| 1:26.4 | and I think the firings that we're seeing will create excellent vehicles for the Supreme Court to revisit it. And I think the firings that we're seeing |
| 1:28.8 | will create excellent vehicles for the Supreme Court to take up that issue again. |
| 1:34.5 | C counts maybe three votes so far on the High Court, ready to overturn precedent. David Driesen |
| 1:40.5 | thinks there are as many as six votes. He's a law professor at Syracuse University and has written critically of the idea of an executive with broad control over independent agencies. |
| 1:50.9 | A lot of the agencies that are independent are independent for extremely good reasons in all functioning democracies have independent agencies in certain areas. A big one is the federal election |
| 2:03.1 | commission. Election commissions are independent or bipartisan in just about every functioning |
| 2:10.1 | democracy, or everyone I know of. Same thing with the Federal Reserve, another independent agencies. |
| 2:16.2 | All good, well-functioning governments |
| 2:18.7 | recognize that you need to have independence for the central bank because they need to make |
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