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Hello and welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast from America Media for Saints and sinners.

You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church and our world today, sometimes over drinks.

I'm Ashley McKinless, and this week we're bringing you a really important conversation that Zach and I had with John Carr. John is the founder of Georgetown University's initiative

on Catholic social thought and public life. And John recently retired and wrote a really powerful

reflection on his decades-long work to promote Catholic social teaching. So stick around for that

conversation. But first, I am joined by my colleague's father, Sam Sawyer, the editor-in-chief of

America Magazine, and Colleen Dully, the co-host of the Inside the Vatican podcast, to discuss

the recent attack by President Trump on Pope Leo and Pope Leo's response.

So welcome, Sam. Welcome Colleen.

Thanks, Ashley. Thanks.

So for context on Sunday night, President Donald Trump issued an extraordinary attack on Pope Leo on his social media platform, Truth Social. And in a lengthy, incoherent

diatribe posted just after 9 p.m., the president said, among other things, that Leo is weak on

crime, terrible for foreign policy, wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon. And he also takes

credit for Leo's election as the first American Pope.

He said if he wasn't in the White House, then Pope Leo would not be in the Vatican.

He did have some nice things to say about Leo's brother, Lewis, who he described as, quote,

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