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Every day you get in-depth interviews with host Todd Wilkin asking expert guests, substantive, thought-provoking questions on all of the important news and issues of our day.

The expert guests are in culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology,

and apologetics. Expert guests? Expansive topics. Always extolling Christ. Issues, etc. President Trump's pro-life record is pretty good.

There is one exception, of course, and from, well, at least the last election cycle,

he has been talking about in vitro fertilization and trying to expand

it, make it more accessible, and seems to be unaware, at least as of this afternoon, seems to be

unaware of the objections of many pro-lifers to in vitro fertilization ethically.

Welcome back to Issues, Et cetera.

I'm Todd Wilkin, Joining us to discuss the president's

new policy on vitro fertilization. Jennifer Lawl. She spent 25 years as a pediatric critical care nurse,

a hospital administrator and a senior level nursing manager. She's founder of the Center for

Bioethics and Culture Network, a writer, director, and executive producer of the documentary's Big Fertility, Exploitation, Anonymous Father's Day, Breeders, a subclass of Women and Maggie's Story.

Jennifer, welcome back.

Thanks for having me back on the show today, Todd. I always enjoy being with you guys.

Ryan Anderson of the Ethics and Public Policy Center posted on X yesterday, and I quote,

the Trump IVF policy is perhaps the least bad that we could have hoped for. As I understand it,

there's no IVF mandate and no government subsidies. So there's no direct religious liberty

or conscience violations or concerns

with taxpayer funding, but least bad is still bad. What's your reaction? I agree with what

Ryan Anderson said. I actually read his article in first things this morning and saw what he posted

on X. And it is, in fact, true that the policy of President

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