This is the Cator Daily Podcast for Friday, November 11, 2016.

I'm Caleb Brown.

The foreign policy so far detailed by President-elect Donald Trump has been scatter shot and unfocused, but in January

decisions will have to be made. To help understand who runs foreign policy in

Washington, Trevor Thrall, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, describes two tribes of foreign policy thinkers.

Hillary Clinton was the least exciting version of the status quo that Democrats could have mustered.

And Trump underperformed Mitt Romney.

Now with respect to foreign policy, there are, you say, two tribes that we need to understand more clearly.

What are they?

The two tribes are the liberal internationalist tribe

that Hillary was leading into battle during this election.

And that's the tribe that's been in power thanks to bipartisan elite support for since the end of the Cold War really

a project you know that involves both free trade, the globe encompassing alliance system, support

for NATO and other institutions, liberal institutions around the world, but also unfortunately

for a range of, you know, dubious interventions for I guess usually well-intentioned reasons all over the globe as well.

So you have the liberal internationalists on the one hand and on the other hand you have what we might call

the nativists or nationalists or jaxonians if you want to be sort of elegant about it.

The America First crowd that Trump is representing.

And obviously they are far less interested in free trade, far more pessimistic about globalization, far more worried about immigrants and the loss of what

they feel is unique to America, you know, from many different sort of places around the globe.

On the upside, they're simply not nearly as interested in intervening around the world

or in pursuing alliances just for alliances sake.

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