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Hey there, it's Kai.

I want to share a really special conversation with you today.

It comes from our friends at This Is Uncomfortable, which is a podcast from Marketplace.

It's a show about the ways money messes with our lives. As you can imagine, their episodes go in a lot of

different directions. And the one we'll hear now is a great reminder that how much money we have or

don't or don't do or don't do with it, none of that is a very

good way to judge our values or our character. Poet and S.A.S. Hanif Abderakib joins host Rima

Kras to talk about his life and the ways money has messed with it. And if you enjoy this episode,

there are many more like it,

available wherever you get your podcast. Okay, let's get into This Is Uncomfortable.

You know, there is a real difference between being broke and being poor. For me to say I'm

broke means, you know, I had a couple bad days of dining around really got it

right now, but I'm working on Saturday and I'm certainly going to make something, you know.

Right.

And to be poor, for me when I was like unhoused and it was like, I genuinely do not know,

I can maybe get a little bit of a meal today, but I don't know if I can get one tomorrow.

That is a prolonged experience. You know what I mean?

That's writer Hanif Abdu Rakit. Around the time he was 23, he lost his job and got evicted from his apartment in Columbus, Ohio.

He didn't have anywhere to go, so he had to get creative.

When I was evicted, I had enough money to get a storage unit for like three months.

And I didn't have much.

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