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This is not a regular episode of Fake the Nation.

Instead, we're just dropping a little bonus into the feed with a separate podcast that I think you'll enjoy.

The name of the podcast is Say More with Tulane Montgomery.

And in it, Tulane talks to people who are dedicated to making the world a better place,

which I know is a thing with the people who listen to fake the nation.

And so I was actually a guest on Say More, and I really enjoyed talking with Tulane.

So I figured we'd throw an episode of that show into the feed so you guys can experience

it in this particular episode.

She interviews the community organizer expert, Marshall Gans.

The reality is that most of us, most of us have learned to care through things that may have

heard us.

You know, it's kind of like if we didn't have experiences or hurt, we wouldn't think the world needed fixing.

And so we have those experiences within our own biographies.

And so accessing those and sharing them, which can be challenging, but it establishes human ground and human connection.

And then that becomes a basis for enabling people to discover the same thing in each other.

And that's the story of us.

It's a shared experience.

It's the experience of usness, connection.

In a moment when our society feels more divided than ever,

join us as we explore what it means to adapt and evolve together.

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