Hey, it's me, Devin. We're off again this week, but we'll be back again next week. We got some really good episodes on Horizon. But this week, we want to share a new show we're really excited about. It's called Mind Games by journalist Zoe and Alice, who are best friends diving into this world of neuro-linguistic programming, which is a

controversial form of hypnosis. NLP, as it's otherwise known, is relatively unknown, but is also

kind of used all over the place from startups, U.S. Army and the NFL are all using this form of hypnosis. So in mind games,

they go deep into the crazy world of NLP and its crazy cast of disciples. And they try to figure

out, does this weird form of hypnosis, like, actually work? This is going to be the first

episode of the series in your feed this week.

If you like what you hear, we're going to leave a link to the show page and our show notes.

So you can click on over there, subscribe, and follow along so you can get new episodes of mind games every week.

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I completely dissociated from my body. I had so much panic and I was so afraid that when I opened my mouth and said the five words that I said when I was in front of the room, I thought it was someone else talking.

And I said, I'm never doing this again.

In the late 1980s, Nancy had a phobia of public speaking, and it was getting in the way

of her job. She was a nurse who

specialized in working with chronic pain patients. There's something about being able to help somebody

that just makes me so, it's probably the biggest motivator of my entire life. Nancy wanted to

share her skills with more people and to grow her business. But there

was one big problem. She was terrified of public speaking. Get her in front of a room of people,

and Nancy would totally freeze. Then she met someone. A woman who said she could cure Nancy's

lifelong fear in a few short minutes, using something called neurolinguistic programming, or NLP.

She did an NLP phobia fix on me and took away my fear of public speaking.

And look at me now, I'm a big ham, and I love public speaking, and I would do

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