This is a matter of degrees. I'm Dr. Leah Stokes. And I'm Dr. Catherine Wilkinson, and together we're telling stories for the climate curious.

So, Leah, what comes to your mind when you think about this past summer?

Well, you know, there are so many things that happened this year. Of course, COVID and the

pandemic, the election, the terrible economic crisis. But I don't think I can look back on this

year and this summer without thinking about the demonstrations that took place after the tragic death

of George Floyd, but also Breonna Taylor and Amad

Aubrey and so many others. And really the amazing flood of support and momentum that came

through for the movement for Black Lives. Yeah, that's what I think about too. And this moment for this movement truly capturing the attention of the entire world.

So that's the story you're going to hear today. It's a story about the Black Lives Matter movement.

And of course, how the fight for Black Lives connects with the struggle for climate justice.

And this story comes not from us,

but from our friends over at the podcast, How to Save a Planet. It's a production of Gimlet

media, and their show has a lot of similarities to our own. It features Gimlets, Alex

Bloomberg, and Dr. Ianna Elizabeth Johnson, who is my friend, my co-editor on All We Can Save,

and co-founder with me of the All We Can Save Project.

Yeah, Ianna is amazing and also a great friend.

And, you know, we really wanted to bring our listeners this episode of How to Save a Planet

at this point in our series because the last two episodes that we

focused on guest hosted by Julian Noiscat and Akala Jefferson are all about climate justice.

And this episode from How to Save a Planet picks up on all those same themes.

Exactly. And it starts by asking a really important question. How did the Black Lives Matter

movement get so powerful? This is How to Save a Planet. I'm Dr. Ianna Elizabeth Johnson. And I'm

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