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The Way Out Is In

Present Moment (Episode #84)

The Way Out Is In

Plum Village

Education, Health & Fitness, Mental Health, Self-improvement, Religion & Spirituality, Buddhism

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 99 minutes

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Summary

🎟 Get tickets to the live podcast episode in London. Welcome to episode 84 of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives. In this installment, Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu and leadership coach/journalist Jo Confino focus on profound Buddhist sutra The Discourse on Knowing the Better Way to Live Alone. Using personal stories and examples, they illustrate the daily relevance of its teachings on being present in the moment, acceptance, and the interconnectedness of all things. Brother Phap Huu discusses how this sutra emphasizes not dwelling in the past or worrying about the future, but instead being fully present in and accepting of the here and now. He also reflects on recent events in the Plum Village community, such as a fire that destroyed an important building and why this was a profound experience for the community, leading them to grieve the loss while also finding strength in their togetherness.  The presenters further explore grieving as a necessary part of the healing process, acknowledging loss rather than trying to bypass difficult emotions; the practice of being fully present (and how to recognize when one is truly present), even in times of chaos and uncertainty; the importance of community, the role of leadership, and the transmission of teachings; the need to accept suffering as a path to greater freedom and understanding; and much more.  Co-produced by the Plum Village App:https://plumvillage.app/   And Global Optimism:https://globaloptimism.com/ With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/ List of resources Donate to support Plum Village’s reconstruction https://plumvillage.org/donate Interbeinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing   Sister Hien Nghiem (Sister True Dedication)https://plumvillage.org/people/dharma-teachers/sister-hien-nghiem  Sutrashttps://plumvillage.org/genre/sutras  Magnolia Grove Monasteryhttps://magnoliagrovemonastery.org/ ‘Letters from Thich Nhat Hanh’https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh/letters  ‘Plum Village Practice Centers’https://plumvillage.org/community/monastic-practice-centres  Dharma Talks: ‘Redefining the Four Noble Truths’https://plumvillage.org/library/dharma-talks/redefining-the-four-noble-truths  Quotes “The Buddha taught: ‘Do not pursue the past. Do not lose yourself in the future. The past no longer is. The future has not yet come. Looking deeply at life as it is in the very here and now, the practitioner dwells in stability and freedom. We must be diligent today. To wait until tomorrow is too late. Death comes unexpectedly. How can we bargain with it? The sage calls a person who dwells in mindfulness night and day the one who knows the better way to live alone.’”  “We all have an appointment with life every day. And that appointment with life is the very here and now.”  “To not grieve would be to deny our humanity.” “We need the ability to ground ourselves, whether it is through a practice of sitting meditation, walking meditation, or mindful breathing: a place where we can be still and let all of our feelings appear, just like letting a lake become calm, so that we can identify and acknowledge how the world and the situation is affecting us.” “Building my stability just means being able to also recognize the wonders I have in this moment. And that means also coming to community, coming to your loved ones, acknowledging what you have in this moment and what you’ve lost.”  “We have to come together in order to resist. We have to come together in order to speak the voice that is not being heard right now, to show the injustice that is happen

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0:00.0

Dear listeners, welcome to this latest episode of the podcast series, The Way Out is In.

0:28.0

I'm Joe Confino working at the intersection of personal transformation and systems evolution.

0:34.1

And I'm Brother Phaphu, a Zen Buddhist monk student of Zen Master Tikihan in the Plum Village tradition.

0:41.4

And today, dear listeners, we are going to focus on one particular sutra within Buddhism. And sometimes it's wonderful to pick one teaching or one sutra to actually go deep

0:49.1

into that teaching and to discover actually new insights.

1:00.6

And today we are going to be focusing on a sutra called the discourse on knowing the better way to live alone.

1:05.9

Music Hello, the way out to steam.

1:32.3

Hello, dear listeners. I'm Joe Confino. And I'm Brother Fabhu.

1:34.3

And Brother. So you have made the momentous decision today that we are going to focus on this one sutra, the discourse on knowing the better way to live alone. So just

1:47.5

wondering, what is it about the sutra that you decided, let's go for this one, because there

1:52.4

many, many sutras we could choose? Because there's one of my favorite poems, or Gata,

1:59.6

that has been put into words from different teachers,

2:03.9

connected to the sutra.

2:05.9

That is, it's a, it's a set of, of, of poetry in this that talks about the present moment

2:13.7

and how deeply it is important to to cultivate the capacity to be in the very here and now

2:23.5

and in sometimes I would just recite it like once a month and there's a particular line where

2:31.8

it says like and life and death comes unexpectedly.

2:36.9

Do not bargain with it.

2:38.4

Why are you looking at me so like that?

2:41.0

I'm only 63.

2:43.2

No, well, you know, like I think like in the last month, this is our first recording of 2025.

2:52.7

And it's February.

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