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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

PREMIUM: "Trump, the Left, and the Future of Liberalism" with Yascha Mounk

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Comedy Interviews, Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education, Comedy

4.6863 Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Can we take heart from the resurgence of anti-Trump liberalism in Canada, Australia, the U.K. and Europe? Could the Democrats capture that energy? If the culture has moved on from "wokeness", then what's the next paradigm for the Left? How should we think about immigration, multiculturalism, infrastructure, abundance, Obama’s legacy, and big-vs-small government in the next chapter of American political life? And can it really be true that Mississippians are richer than Italians?

Yascha Mounk is one of Josh's favourite thinkers on how to hold liberal democracies together in a destabilising time.

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1:29.9

Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas.

1:32.3

Here's a dangerous idea for you.

1:36.2

You can have all the great policies in the world.

1:42.2

You can have a brilliant set of ideas about what you want to do if you get into government.

1:46.6

But if you lack a paradigm, a framework, a narrative, a grand story which your policies inhabit, you'll never win over the voters,

1:53.1

you'll never win hearts and minds. And that that fundamentally is the pickle that the Democratic

1:57.4

Party finds itself in. It has been inside a paradigm of social justice.

2:02.7

Before that, it was inside a paradigm of economic justice and class warfare. And now it finds

2:08.2

itself somewhat listless, disrupted and disoriented by the Trump phenomenon. A lot of people

2:13.5

on the American left have taken heart from recent elections in Australia and Canada and the

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