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🗓️ 9 June 2025
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If you want to feel optimistic about the mind-boggling potential of the renewable energy revolution, listen to Saul Griffith, one of the world's leading experts in electrification, decarbonisation and renewable energy technologies. He's founded a dozen Silicon Valley technology companies, R&D labs, and non-partisan organizations, and he was instrumental in developing the Biden Administration's climate action plan.
Saul's U.S. research labs were recently eviscerated by Elon Musk's DOGE cuts. He begins this conversation in a gloomy mood about the state of American scientific research, but peps up about the potential for overhauling how we generate, deliver and manage clean electricity. It's a wild rebuke to the climate hysterics on both sides.
While the rest of the country argues about nuclear energy, solar panels and fossil fuels, enjoy this electrifying chat about how we could be on the brink of electrifying everything.
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0:00.0 | Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Well, it's a dangerous idea |
0:08.6 | all right. We are reaching an electricity and energy tipping point at which the future of the world's |
0:15.4 | climate and our future as a species that is not constantly racked by ever-intensifying and ever-more-frequent |
0:22.8 | natural disasters hangs in the balance, and that perhaps we're all arguing about the wrong things, |
0:29.0 | how we supply and generate electricity, whether we use nuclear, how much we use solar, how exactly |
0:35.0 | we should manage the increased demand that artificial intelligence is likely |
0:38.9 | to throw up. We may be looking at this through the wrong end of the telescope. We may instead |
0:44.9 | want to look at the demand side, not the supply side, how we use the electricity, when it arrives |
0:51.3 | into our home, how we store the electricity, whether we use batteries in our homes, |
0:56.0 | whether we plug electric cars back into the grid, whether or not we have local substations that |
1:01.5 | are smart grids and smart homes that manage the supply of energy that's coming onto your street, |
1:07.2 | into your house, into your car, into your stove top. |
1:10.4 | Saul Griffith is one of the world's |
1:12.0 | leading experts on the energy revolution, on basically decarbonising everything and electrifying |
1:19.0 | everything. Saul has founded a dozen Silicon Valley technology companies in the energy space. |
1:25.8 | He's founded research and development labs. He's founded |
1:28.2 | non-partisan, non-profit organizations. He was instrumental in developing the Biden administration's |
1:33.5 | climate action plan. He has recently undergone the very, very stressful experience of having |
1:39.1 | Elon Musk's doge cuts come in horrendous ways for his research, not just on climate change, but also on |
1:48.1 | pandemic research, which he was involved in. And we begin in a somewhat subdued and |
1:53.2 | mournful way about the state of affairs at the moment, especially its consequences for American |
1:58.7 | scientific research. But do not be put off by that forlorn |
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