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So we're back here with Aetonheim

and we're talking about, well, we started talking about the kind of tension in medicine between making

progress with things that are initially experimental and kind of risky, and the need to preserve patients' health.

And I don't know, I thought this was an interesting question

and it kind of makes me think about all of the dangerous things

doctors have done in the past when they're developing a new treatment or a new procedure or whatever.

So do you have any thoughts about that?

Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's such a good question, right?

Because there has to be some therapeutic rationale

behind what you're doing.

So I was at Baylor College of Medicine,

and this was one of the most famous programs in the country

for heart surgery.

There was a surgeon by the name of Bud Frazier who is an absolute legend.

He had developed something called

the Left Ventricular Assist device in Elbad.

So it's like a artificial heart.

And when he was initiating the research and development of this device in the early days, you know, the 80s 90s, I mean you would have a mortality rate that was very very high. You know I I remember the numbers

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