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The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

PREMIUM-Ep. 254: Michael Sandel Against Meritocracy (Part Two)

The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

Mark Linsenmayer

Casey, Paskin, Philosophy, Linsenmayer, Society & Culture, Alwan

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2020

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

Mark, Wes, Dylan and Seth continue the discussion on The Tyranny of Merit to talk further about how social values can and do change, and whether these changes can be engineered in the way that Sandel seems to want.

We interviewed Michael Sandel in part one. To hear this second part, you'll need to go sign up at partiallyexaminedlife.com/support. This preview includes a couple of exchanges from near the beginning to give you a flavor of what to expect.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to our preview of Parsley Xamarin Life Episode 254 Part 2.

0:11.3

We just did an interview with Michael J. Sandel about his new book, The Tyranny of Merit,

0:15.7

and after he left we continued that discussion.

0:18.0

Getting very practical, very political, let me play you two sections from near the beginning

0:22.3

of that conversation.

0:23.5

The first one Seth initiates about how to have these public moral conversations that Sandel

0:28.1

recommends.

0:29.3

In the second, from a little later, where Wes initiates a discussion of high school as a metaphor

0:34.4

for society, how could we change the values in a high school versus a society as a whole?

0:40.2

We're in the situation where the so-called democratization of communication has actually

0:46.4

centralized when we talk about Twitter dominating discourse, right, or Facebook, or these social media

0:52.3

platforms.

0:53.3

So we've got this centralization of location for where discourse happens.

0:57.9

This quote-unquote democratized discourse.

1:00.6

And part of what I think is a response is it made me think of our Tocqueville episode

1:05.6

that he said, what it is that makes America America and what it is that makes the American

1:09.6

democracy work is associations.

1:12.4

And I think that's something that's really suffered.

1:15.4

But if you want to talk about where would be the practical place to get started where people

1:20.0

could start having conversations, it has to start, I think, not at some global social media

1:25.8

level where everybody is an abstract entity without any personalization or individualization

1:32.8

and where the platform can be dominated and manipulated.

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