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The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

PREMIUM-Ep 205 Durkheim et al on Suicide (Part Three)

The Partially Examined Life Philosophy Podcast

Mark Linsenmayer

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.62.3K Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2018

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

Mark and Wes discuss Durkheim's Suicide (1897), getting into more of the details of his account and exploring comparative modes of explanation: Are there really "sociological facts" distinct from mere generalizations about psychological facts?

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0:00.0

Hey, you're listening to the Partially Exam in Life, a preview to our follow-up discussion

0:10.3

on Episode 205.

0:12.4

Wes, all one and I talked for an hour and ten minutes.

0:14.9

We're going to play you some highlights here, both to make you want to go listen to the

0:17.7

whole thing and hopefully to provide enough discussion here that it's intrinsically interesting.

0:22.2

We spent a lot of the time this discussion getting into more details from Emil Durkheim's

0:25.7

book Suicide.

0:27.1

I guess there's just, first of all, the issue of a sociological versus a psychological approach.

0:32.6

For one, he said, you can't actually know individual circumstances why somebody killed themselves,

0:36.7

or at least, you know, it's not the norm to know that.

0:39.1

What the government officials write down is the cause of death, or the reason for the cause

0:43.7

of death is not going to be very accurate.

0:47.0

So he wanted to talk about this sociological fact.

0:50.5

It's not just that we just can't know, but we can't know by taking the individual cases

0:55.6

and generalizing them to the sociological cases, which is kind of what I would assume

0:59.1

to be the case.

1:00.1

And he thought there were these free-floating autonomous sociological facts that you could

1:04.3

analyze.

1:05.3

We can get into a couple of quotes about that.

1:06.9

Do you have any thoughts in that area?

1:09.0

This is on 44 of the Roman numerals.

1:13.3

So it appears that this total is not simply a sum of independent limits, a collective

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