PREMIUM: "Anti-Immigration, the Far Right & the Christchurch Shooter" with Investigative Journalist Joey Watson
Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Josh Szeps
4.5 • 905 Ratings
🗓️ 28 August 2025
⏱️ 60 minutes
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Summary
How does an adventurous, open-minded, well-travelled young bloke get interested in nationalism... and then in Western supremacy... and then white pride... Until he becomes so obsessed with protecting Western Civilization from Islam, that he shoots nearly a hundred innocent Muslims and livestreams the massacre to cheering racists around the world?
The official government line is that the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter was a lone wolf. The killer himself cultivated this image. But the movement that radicalised him is a complex network of persuasion. It starts with goofy alt-right memes. It moves on to far-right forums like 4Chan & 8Chan. And it expresses itself in real-world groups like the white supremacist "migrant hunters" with whom the Christchurch shooter embedded in central and eastern Europe.
Joey Watson is a young investigative journalist who's been painstakingly exploring the far-right internet swamp - and travelling to Serbia, Austria and Bulgaria - to retrace the Christchurch terrorist's radicalisation. Joey and Josh discuss how immigration, nationalism, Islam, bigotry and the internet are being built into an ideological powder keg... and how we might defuse it.
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| 0:00.0 | Goody, humans. |
| 0:04.3 | Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. |
| 0:06.9 | Here's a dangerous idea for you, a very, very dangerous idea. |
| 0:09.9 | And I'm going to articulate it for you in a series of steps, a series of logical steps. |
| 0:15.9 | And you tell me where you get off the train. |
| 0:19.0 | You don't have to tell me. |
| 0:20.4 | It would be weird if you just announced |
| 0:22.0 | it to the world as you were walking along listening to this podcast or doing the dishes or driving |
| 0:26.5 | or something. Just think in your head. Where are you getting off this train? Okay, step one. The rate |
| 0:31.7 | of immigration in Western countries has been too high for a while. Step two, some migrant communities in Western |
| 0:43.4 | countries have failed to integrate as well as others have. Three, the scale and subpar integration of Muslim communities in particular has been notable in some Western countries. |
| 1:02.6 | Four, there are plenty of countries which are unashamed about existing mainly for the benefit of their own traditional ethnic group. |
| 1:12.6 | Japan is for the Japanese, for example, and so on. |
| 1:16.6 | Five, the local ethnic group in Western countries is usually, by definition, the white Christian population. |
| 1:29.5 | With me so far? |
| 1:31.3 | Did you get off yet? |
| 1:33.0 | Can you see where this is headed? |
| 1:35.0 | Step six. |
| 1:39.2 | The two-party political system in many Western democracies does not seem very well equipped to address the pace of immigration |
| 1:42.2 | and the problems of integration of certain |
| 1:44.6 | communities because both major parties in most big countries seem to be deaf to it. They seem to |
| 1:50.1 | support continued immigration regardless of what people try to tell them at the ballot box. So that |
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