PREMIUM: "A.I. for Humans" with Prof. Joel Pearson

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Josh Szeps

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🗓️ 6 January 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Artificial systems are about to revolutionise your workplace, your school, your home, your phone… and, most of all, your head.

How should we prepare for the inevitable human response?

Professor Joel Pearson is a psychologist and neuroscientist who runs the Future Minds Lab at the University of New South Wales as well as MindX, a consultancy that works with companies like Samsung, Pixar, Saatchi and Google to help tailor products to how people’s minds actually work.

Josh and Joel consider the current state of A.I., how far it came in 2024, what to expect from 2025... and how to arm yourself for the disruptions of a world grappling with new hyper-intelligent artificial systems.

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0:00.0	Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous idea for you.
0:08.6	What if amid all the hoo-ha about artificial intelligence and the coming revolution and whether or not
0:14.4	we have to be worried about artificial systems taking over the world and launching nukes at us all
0:19.9	or turning us all into paperclips,
0:21.6	what if the real concern about artificial intelligence is right under our nose,
0:26.4	or rather, inside your head?
0:29.9	The question of how we and our societies and our workplaces and our schools and our governments
0:35.9	and our homes will adapt to artificial intelligence
0:39.0	over the next year or three or five or ten is one that sometimes gets ignored or overlooked
0:45.3	in all of our hyperactive babble about the promise of artificial intelligence. But big, big changes
0:51.2	are coming and they're going to take place mostly for most people on the ground in the real world of your life, when you walk in the front door of your home, when you sign up for a university class, when you try to get a new job or when you get laid off as a result of AI systems being incorporated into the company that you work at.
1:11.0	Professor Joel Pearson is just the person to plan for such an eventuality.
1:15.2	He thinks that really governments and institutions all over the world should be treating this like the coming of a pandemic or any other major natural disaster, which is foreseeable.
1:26.3	Because it is foreseeable, it's coming, and we don't want to
1:29.3	deal with it the same way that we dealt with, for example, social media use among juvenile
1:33.8	children, where eight years after the fact, we realized that it really wasn't a good idea,
1:38.8	and we have to figure out how to manage it. As a result, Joel wants to collect together a bunch of brainy wanks to sort of
1:46.8	wrestle through some of these ideas, and I thought it would be interesting to preview some of the
1:50.8	things that such wonks would consider in Joel's ideal universe. Joel runs the future minds lab.
1:56.8	He's a psychologist and a neuroscientist. The future minds lab is part of the University of
2:00.8	New South Wales.
2:01.6	And he also has a consultancy called MindX, which works with big companies like Sachi and Google and
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