Lucy Mack Smith said of her daughter-in-law Emma, I have never seen a woman in my life who would endure every species of fatigue and hardship from month to month and from year to year with that unflinching courage, zeal, and patience which she has ever done. For I know that which she has had to endure.

She has been tossed upon the ocean of uncertainty.

She has breasted the storms of persecution and buffeted the rage of men and devils,

which would have borne down almost any other woman.

Music almost any other woman.

One, two, three, go. Feminist Mormon Housewives.

Hello and welcome back to another episode of the Feminist Mormon Housewives podcast.

I am your host, Lindsay, and tonight with me I have someone I'm so excited about because I've been trying to get him on the podcast forever.

He's like an elusive, magical unicorn that's hard to capture.

I've got John Hamer.

Yay!

Can you hear me cheering?

John Hamer from the Community of Christ on our podcast.

And he is the major to get person on all the podcasts. I know Mormon Expositor is super jealous because

they want you on their podcast. Well, I'm excited to be on this podcast, so I'm sorry that I was so

hard to get. No, no, I'm just happy. So I've got John Hamer. Actually, I promise them that I'd ask

you to come on their podcast, too, so maybe we'll do that later.

Okay, so I'm just going to tell you a little bit about John if you don't know who John Hamer is,

if you haven't heard him on some of the other podcasts.

John is a historian of Mormonism and a map maker.

He's made maps for dozens of church history books and journal articles, including the LDS Church's

flagship, Joseph Smith, Papers Project, and the Community of Christ, or the former RLDS Church's

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