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In this edition of Analysis, we join an audience at the Institute for Government as

Edward Sturden talks to Professor Jacob Hacker, an academic whose ideas about welfare

and distribution are influencing the labour leadership.

Welcome to the Institute for Government, a think tank which aims to promote fresh

thinking on the issues that really matter to government.

Labour's leader Ed Miliband has over the past few days or so, began to sketch out in clearer lines the ambitions

that his party will labour for us at the next election.

And our guest here is credited with some of the He is a champion of what is known as pre-distribution, elegantly described by the guardian as an

unsnappy name for an inspiring idea.

Mr Miller Band used the term of his speech last autumn and the professor has just come hot foot from a meeting with the labor leader, I think.

I don't know whether you saw him for long enough, but do you have a sense that he's really serious about looking for new thinking in this area?

Well, the first thing he said is he apologized if he messed up the term for me,

is if his talking about it would somehow take away from the originality

or power of the term.

I said, you know, that's the most attention I've ever

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