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This is the first of two conversations that I'm recording with, Azim, and the other one is going to go out on his podcast, the exponential view podcast, and we will tell you how to find that at the end.

You have ten predictions for what the world might be like in 2030. They're pretty broad, but they're also in their way quite specific.

Central to them is the thought that this is going to be the decade where climate change

dominates our experience of politics among many other things. I think it's fair to say you are

relatively optimistic about some of it, though you preface your predictions by saying if there is a

climate catastrophe, which there could be, a lot of this goes into reverse.

So there are events and no one should predict events.

Fool's game.

So there could be climate events.

I mean, Australian politics is a good example of how dangerous it is not to think that

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