So James Carville, Democratic strategist and architect of Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign

recently told the New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, he has a suspicion that there are too

many preachy females in the Democratic Party. He's talking about the message of the party overall.

And he's saying that it's hurting President Biden's standing among men,

especially black men. Now, of course, this comment sparked backlash online. Carville was, of course,

undeterred. Gary is doubling down in an interview with MSNBC. How many times do you watch a panel

on this network?

And the key vote here is going to be the women's vote.

It's going to, oh, it's women to call it.

No, it's suburban women.

What if I ever heard someone say, you know, the mail vote's going to be pretty important

here?

We've got to, you know, that's 48% of the electorate.

This is the assignment.

I'm Audie Cornish and my guest today to talk about these

comments is Jamil Smith. He's an award-winning writer for outlets like Time, Rolling Stone, and the

LA Times. And he's recently taken a job as editor-in-chief at The Emancipator, which is a non-profit

newsroom housed at the Center for Anti-Racist Research at Boston University.

Jamil, welcome to the assignment.

Thank you for having me.

These comments, the initial comments, came in this column with Maureen Dowd,

in which she was sort of like, the raging Cajun strikes again.

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