I don't want my kids to feel like they're a commodity or something that is a hurdle to me doing my life.

I want them to feel like at any point, within reason,

they can approach me, and I will give them

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Here's stuff I thought I'd throw at you.

Because you've been a pastor, how many years?

Almost four.

Four years.

And you know this.

I mean, there's like meetings after meetings after meetings

about vision and mission statements and culture and DNA and all the different ministries of the church and who are we and where we going and all that's really really important.

But after so many years of doing that I feel like a lot of what the church wanted from their pastor and I would say

the community wants from their leader a man or woman is they just want a man or a woman that they feel like was with Jesus recently.

Yeah.

And it's sharing with them what they just got from being with Jesus. That's what I want. If I'm going to receive

ministry from another human being that is the core non-negotiable absolutely.

Me too. Yeah I'm not saying the other stuff isn't important

but there were times I'm just like I just think when we have a lunch or a breakfast they're just

leaning over like you've been with Jesus recently right? What's he saying?

It is word or whatever.

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