We tend to want to go right to the titles or right to the roles like let's talk about men's roles and they need to be leaders in the home and they need to be head of the household and we throw these terms around that are biblical. It talks about you know headship and all that type of thing, but when you start with love is Jesus loved

Yeah, it has very little to do with dominance priority. Yeah, it's all about what was that

model.

we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson.

You can find us at family life today.com.

This is family life today. I don't know if I've ever had a men's panel sitting around the studio and family life today in my history

and I've been here like 50 years so I don't know

This is Dave's den this is days dead this day's day's day's day's day's den. This is days.

This is days.

Dave's lion's den.

I've got three lion men in here.

It's exciting.

All right, we got Brian Goings, Ed Jazinsky, and Darren Mabuni in the studio. you tell our listeners, what do you guys do? I know you and Ed hang out on hotel rooms.

Oh, that's gotten dark really crazy.

A creepy way to start.

Well, tell them what I mean by that.

Yeah.

There's a lot of different directions we could go.

But basically, yeah, Ed and I have been working together pretty tightly

in terms of helping to revamp we can

remember and so you guys are all on the team and so it's been great to do that and

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