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And the chance to win a pound or three Hi, welcome to Fever Dreams.

My name's Will Summer.

I'm a political reporter at The Daily Beast and the author of an upcoming book on QAnon for Harper Collins.

And I'm Aswin-Subang, but please call me Swin.

I'm a senior political reporter at the Daily Beast and co-author of the book Sinking in the Swamp.

All right, here on Fever Dreams, we're going to take you on plunges into the sometimes hilarious and sometimes scary world of the American right as they continue to influence our politics.

Even in the aftermath of the Trump administration, the energy of these conspiracy theorists, these grifters, and these influencers is still pushing

our mainstream political landscape closer and closer to a breaking point.

Hello and welcome to Fever Dreams.

Today we're joined by Kelly Weil, our frequent guest host, since host Asu and Supsang is

still off on paternity leave.

Now, Kelly, in these days, if you get an internet fight with someone

that gets really heated, they might tell you to go touch grass, by which they mean, you know,

sort of get out there, get a life, log off for a little bit. Have you ever experienced this?

I have both been told that, and I have personally touched grass.

Okay, so you're an expert on this. I'd bring this up because I am reading a new book from anti-Muslim activist, general sort of

right-wing fame ball, Laura Lumer, that is just like the ultimate argument in favor of

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