we're in a moment where appeals to government, to the state, to courts, to policy, to legislation,

to the United Nations, none of those things are producing the results that we need or desperately.

We can't even get a ceasefire, much less an end to an occupation, end to USA to billions, hundreds of billions of dollars of aid to Israel,

you know, even the UN is sort of finally saying a thing and, you know, the response basically is,

you know, fuck you. And from the Israeli government, U.S. and allied imperial forces. And so

it really is a moment where we have to, well, what else can we do?

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