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Modern Wisdom

Practical Tools for a Less Anxious Life - Donald Robertson - #1050

Modern Wisdom

Chris Williamson

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness

4.65.9K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2026

⏱️ 113 minutes

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Summary

Donald Robertson is a cognitive-behavioral psychotherapist, an author and an expert on ancient philosophy. Why are we so anxious in the safest time in human history? Our brains evolved for real danger, predators, hunger, survival, not notifications and deadlines. So what are the modern tools for calming our primitive nervous system in a modern world? And is the answer something our ancestors already knew? Expect to learn what Donald wishes more people knew about anxiety, how it works and what causes it, how CBT might be the best therapy to combat chronic anxiety, what the main problem with the major psychoanalytic theorists is, why CBT is just a modern extension of Stoicism, why modern American culture has become extraordinarily passive aggressive, how people can keep their life in alignment with their values and much more… Timestamps: (0:00) How Anxiety Actually Works (15:40) Is Self-Help Actually Helpful? (25:55) Why Avoidance Makes Anxiety Worse (39:22) Useful Skills to Tackle Your Anxiety (48:47) Top Down vs Bottom Up: What’s the Best Approach? (01:03:08) Were the Stoics the Original Psychotherapists? (01:11:14) Why People Fear Exposure Therapy (01:26:42) Should We Prioritise Targeting Anger? (01:41:01) Why Donald Quit Psychodynamic Therapy (01:52:24) Where to Find Donald Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠ Get 10% discount on all Gymshark products at https://gym.sh/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM10) Get up to $50 off the RP Hypertrophy App at https://rpstrength.com/modernwisdom Get the brand new Whoop 5.0 and your first month for free at https://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠⁠⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠⁠⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠⁠⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberm - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠ Email: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What do you wish more people knew about how anxiety works and what causes it from your perspective?

0:50.9

Gosh. Well, anxiety used to be my specialism, although now I focus a bit more on anger these days.

0:57.9

But they're two of my favourite emotions.

1:01.4

The main thing I think that people should know about anxiety is we tend to think of emotions

1:10.4

in a very simplistic way in our society. We have very

1:14.3

simplistic language for emotions and most people buy into something that psychologists sometimes

1:19.6

call the hydraulic model of emotion, which is the idea that emotions are just like a blob

1:24.3

of energy that sort of wells up inside you and you can sort of try and push them down or you can sort of vent them or whatever. And that's wrong. It isn't how emotions work, basically. It's massively overly simplistic, unfortunately. That's what we sometimes call the folk psychology or kind of default psychology. So we get off to a bad start by not having the faintest idea how our emotions

1:46.1

work in the first place. So the main thing I would say is I think about an emotion like anxiety

1:51.4

more like a recipe for baking a cake. Like it's got milk and sugar and eggs and raisins and whatever

1:58.0

else you like put in. So there are thoughts, actions, feelings, mental images, memories, all these things kind of

2:03.7

get mixed together and that bakes the cake of whatever type of anxiety that you've got.

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