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🗓️ 17 September 2025
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This September marks eight years since Donald Trump cozied up to pariah dictator Abdel Fattah el-Sisi of Egypt on the sidelines of the United Nations—a secret meeting that reportedly triggered a highly secretive Mueller investigation into whether Trump accepted a $10 million bribe from el-Sisi when his 2016 campaign was desperate for cash. Last summer, Gaslit Nation ran a special episode unpacking this sweeping corruption scandal; you can read a summary here and listen to the episode here.
Fast forward to Trump’s Middle East tour this past spring, where he once again explicitly told the world that American foreign policy under his influence isn’t about democracy or the rule of law: it’s about making deals that just so happen to enrich him and his family.
Joining Gaslit Nation to explain what Trump’s fire sale of influence to the highest bidder means for the Middle East and us here at home is Ahmed Gatnash, co-founder and Executive Director of the Kawaakibi Foundation, a powerhouse MENA human rights organization, and co-author of The Middle East Crisis Factory. Gatnash brings a razor-sharp analysis of Russia’s expanding grip on the Middle East, the unbreakable spirit of the Syrian people fighting for freedom, and the surprising ways bitcoin is being used as a lifeline for human rights activists who know how to navigate its pitfalls. He also tears into the so-called “two-state solution”—overwhelmingly voted on by the United Nations last week—as nothing more than political theater, and shares his vision of what Palestinians and Israelis truly need to secure real, lasting peace.
This week’s bonus show dives into MAGA’s latest wave of threats against the opposition and what a full-scale crackdown could look like–what’s likely, what’s unlikely, and what’s already happening that we need to pay attention to. Catch the full discussion this Friday morning by joining our Patreon community. Thank you to everyone who makes Gaslit Nation possible–we could not make our show without you!
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Show Notes:
Qatar, Russia sign agreement to jointly invest 2 billion euros into sovereign wealth funds https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250423-qatar-russia-sign-agreement-to-jointly-invest-2-billion-euros-into-sovereign-wealth-funds/
Michael Flynn, Russia and a Grand Scheme to Build Nuclear Power Plants in Saudi Arabia and the Arab World https://www.newsweek.com/2017/06/23/flynn-russia-nuclear-energy-middle-east-iran-saudi-arabia-qatar-israel-donald-623396.html
Why Qatar is Bribing Trump https://open.substack.com/pub/popularinformation/p/why-qatar-is-bribing-trump?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2mrjsl
House Democrats ask Trump for proof he did not take $10 million 'cash bribe' from Egypt https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/03/trump-egypt-democrats-letter.html
Trump touts Saudi relationship as "bedrock of security and prosperity" amid $600 billion investment deal https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-speaking-us-saudi-investment-summit-riyadh/
2 Trump-aligned GOP operatives face foreign agent charges for helping Qatar https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/02/trump-gop-qatar-00133567
Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/politics/trump-jr-saudi-uae-nader-prince-zamel.html?unlocked_article_code=1.G08.dUBd.YVKXSVfgqo8i&smid=url-share
The Qatar bribery allegations featuring Trump, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, and the Steele dossier, explained https://theweek.com/speedreads/773479/qatar-bribery-allegations-featuring-trump-michael-cohen-michael-flynn-steele-dossier-explained
Qatar pursues US-Iranian nuclear steps after detainee swap https://www.reuters.com/world/qatar-pursues-us-iranian-nuclear-steps-after-detainee-swap-2023-09-20/
Exclusive: Qatar held separate talks with US, Iran touching on nuclear, drones https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-held-separate-talks-with-us-iran-touching-nuclear-drones-2023-09-20/
Iran seeks Russia’s support for its nuclear talks with US https://apnews.com/article/iran-russia-us-nuclear-negotiations-2bae3b073bcac464ad9b44a8d5a4c581
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Gaslit Nation. I am your host, Andrea Chalupa, a journalist and filmmaker, and the writer and producer of the Welsh superhero, Gareth Jones film Mr. Jones, about Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine. The film The Kremlin doesn't want you to see. They shut down a screening in Moscow and liquidated the organization that dared to show it. So be sure to watch it. Well, on Gaslit |
| 0:42.6 | Nations, since the very start of our show, we've been hyper-focused on Trump and Russia. We've |
| 0:48.5 | had investigative journalists on the show like Craig Unger, who wrote House of Trump, House of Putin, looking at the decades |
| 0:56.4 | long connections between the Trump family and their businesses and dirty Russian money, |
| 1:01.2 | including oligarch money. We've talked about how Russian oligarchs paid in cash for Trump |
| 1:06.9 | Tower apartments on Fifth Avenue in New York, how the FBI broke up a Russian mafia |
| 1:11.7 | gambling ring, right? Next to Trump's apartment in Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue. We talked about |
| 1:17.6 | how Paul Manafort, long-time Kremlin operative who got a Ukrainian Trump, Victorianna Kovic, |
| 1:24.4 | who came to power, talking a good game. And then once he got in, tried to |
| 1:29.8 | turn Ukraine into a Russian-aligned dictatorship, enriching himself and his family, breaking all |
| 1:36.0 | sorts of laws and norms. And then Paul Manafort, who was on the hook for a lot of money to |
| 1:41.4 | Oleg Deripaska, a ruthless oligarch close to Putin, who was persona non grata not allowed in the U.S. |
| 1:46.7 | He was on the hook for money in debt to Deripaska, and then suddenly Manafort resurfaces running Trump's campaign for free in 2016. |
| 1:56.2 | That was the smoking gun. |
| 1:59.1 | And on and on, we've talked about the Mueller report, what it did get right. |
| 2:03.6 | We talked about the Steele dossier written by Christopher Steele, who ran the Russia desk for |
| 2:08.0 | British intelligence, who called Paul Manafort the smoking gun of the Russia-Trump operation |
| 2:13.6 | to bring Trump to power illegally with the Kremlin's help in 2016. |
| 2:17.5 | We talked about the bipartisan Russian Senate report, which my sister, Alexander Shalupa, |
| 2:23.5 | testified for for an entire day in a skiff in the Senate because she, as an independent contractor |
| 2:29.9 | for the DNC, believed her eyes and ears and being Ukrainian-American, saw that if Paul Manafort |
| 2:34.7 | was managing Trump's campaign in 2016, that meant the Kremlin was managing Trump's campaign in |
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