Power Over vs. Power Under: Rethinking Christian Influence and Resistance in a Divided World - LIVE From Monkey Business Café

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Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.8 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 12 March 2017

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Summary

How power dynamics shape the church, politics, and our personal witness sits at the heart of this thought-provoking live podcast episode in our Way of Resistance series. Recorded at the Monkey Business Café in Fullerton, California, Mike and Andy take a deep dive into the teachings of Jesus on power—contrasting "power over" (coercion, control, and dominance) versus "power under" (self-sacrificial love, service, and nonviolent resistance). Through Scripture, cultural analysis, audience interaction, and a healthy dose of humor, they confront how the American church has often lost its way by pursuing the wrong kind of power—political, institutional, and authoritative—at the expense of the cross.

Listeners will walk away challenged and inspired to reclaim a Jesus-like influence rooted not in dominance but in subversive servanthood, prophetic humility, and a commitment to love even the enemy, including how this shapes voting, protesting, and everyday personal relationships.

Key Takeaways: • The Danger of Power Over – A deep dive into how the church often mimics the world's structures of control and coercion, from celebrity pastors to political endorsements. • Power Under, the Way of Jesus – Why self-sacrifice, service, empathy, and love are the defining marks of kingdom power, and how Jesus modeled this in his life and death. • Keeping Two Questions Distinct – Understanding the crucial difference between "What do I believe the state should do?" and "What advances the Kingdom of God?" • Cross-Centered Protest – Tips for protesting without perpetuating division, by staying rooted in love, humility, and solidarity with the marginalized. • Confronting Spiritual Abuse with Grace and Truth – A raw discussion on how to process church leadership failures and confront power-abusing institutions with integrity. • How to Love Our Enemies (like ISIS) – Wrestling with the radical call of Jesus to bless those who persecute you, even in the face of systemic evil.

Guest Highlights: Live Q&A with an engaged audience tackled questions on military service, spiritual abuse, evangelical politics, interfaith solidarity, and more—offering raw, heartfelt insights from people navigating faith on the ground.

Resources Mentioned: • Matthew 20:25-28 – Jesus's teaching on greatness and servanthood. • Matthew 26:47–56 – Jesus's rebuke of Peter and commentary on violence. • John 18 – Jesus before Pilate and "My kingdom is not of this world." • Constantine and the shift of the church to power over culture. • Martin Luther King Jr. and the Civil Rights movement as examples of power under. • The practice of lament and blessing in spiritual life & trauma recovery.

Get Involved: Help us push back against toxic power structures by embodying power under through compassion, service, and self-sacrificial love. Share this episode with someone struggling with faith and politics. Subscribe, leave a review, and connect with us on social media to continue these vital conversations about what it means to follow Jesus in the chaos of modern culture.

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Music in this episode by Timothy John Stafford

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0:00.0	Hello, Internet, Mike and Andy here live from the world headquarters of Vox, the traveling show, now nestled safely in the bosom of downtown Fullerton in a place
0:23.8	called Monkey Business Cafe with a live audience when you hear this when you hear
0:29.5	this yep yep we have paid them all to be here and so that's very exciting they
0:36.9	they they I don't know how this
0:40.3	exactly worked, Andy. We, we, we advertised this, right? You advertise this. And then they signed up,
0:45.2	and they showed up. Yeah. We used all the Patreon money to pay them to come here.
0:49.5	Okay, now that's the thing. If you're, if, if, if, I know we talk about our supporters,
0:53.3	but our supporters paid for Coors Light tonight. And we should understand the thing. If you're, if, if, I know we talk about our supporters, but our supporters paid for
0:54.9	Coors Light tonight.
0:56.4	And we should understand.
0:57.6	There are people so committed to the cause of Jesus in the world that they have given
1:02.7	money so that we could be here and we could hand out FreeCores Light.
1:07.0	All right.
1:07.3	I just think that is, that is amazing.
1:10.4	We've also got Izzy Ray here. Now, is that is amazing uh we've also got izzie ray um here now is that some new
1:14.0	stuff you've got a you've got a new new album coming out right uh and uh is it true that you wrote a
1:20.8	song that was inspired by my leadership is that true okay she's, I don't think she's saying that.
1:28.3	Okay, so, so first of all, we want to say thank you to our supporters who paid for this and who allow us to do this for free.
1:39.3	Thank you to our live audience who has driven up to downtown Fullerton or just stumbled in regardless
1:47.0	and we're thrilled that you would be here seriously it's amazing amazing I'm looking
1:52.6	forward to this all day and who's the oldest who's the oldest in the audience I need to know
1:58.7	that right now okay so so Chris how old are you? 64.
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