Power in the Age of AI (Robert Wright & Paul Scharre)
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🗓️ 28 February 2023
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00:37 Paul’s new book, Four Battlegrounds: Power in the Age of Artificial Intelligence 11:42 Will AIs replace humans in future wars? 29:24 China as an AI superpower 39:29 Will Beijing spread high-tech authoritarianism globally? 48:51 How useful is the “democracy versus autocracy” framework? 54:01 Why Paul’s worried about a race to the bottom in AI safety 1:00:00 Tom Cruise can’t hold a candle to AI pilots
Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Scharre (Center for a New American Security, Army of None, Four Battlegrounds). Recorded February 8, 2023.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast. |
| 0:08.7 | Hi, Paul. |
| 0:10.1 | Hi, how you doing? |
| 0:11.8 | Not too bad. |
| 0:13.5 | How are you doing? |
| 0:14.8 | Good. |
| 0:15.5 | Thanks for having me on the show. |
| 0:17.0 | My pleasure. |
| 0:18.0 | You got a new bookout. |
| 0:19.1 | Congratulations. |
| 0:20.3 | Thank you. |
| 0:38.6 | Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, publisher with a Non-Zero newsletter. This is a non-zero podcast. You're Paul Shari, Vice President and Director of Studies at Center for New American Security in Washington. We're going to talk about your new book, Four Battlegrounds, Power in the Age of Artificial Intelligence intelligence you had an earlier book called army of none autonomous weapons and the future of war so congratulations you look |
| 0:49.1 | pretty young to have gotten two books out at this rate um you'll surpass almost everyone in output, I think. |
| 0:56.6 | Thanks. Well, no promises, but I'm very excited to get the second one out of the door and share it with books. |
| 1:01.7 | Yeah. We should also say you've got experience in the military, right? |
| 1:06.1 | That's right. Yeah, I was an Army Ranger. I did a number of tours overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan early in the wars. |
| 1:13.5 | Okay. And in fact, I think you say in the book that one thing that directed your attention toward the whole subject of kind of the automation of war is you were in a vehicle and in order to preserve it, to keep it intact. |
| 1:32.8 | You wanted to disarm like one of these IEDs, these explosive devices embedded in the road, |
| 1:40.2 | and a robot came out to do the job, right? |
| 1:45.8 | And what I wanted to ask was just by way of starting to get clear on terminology, |
| 1:51.0 | because, you know, in AI, there's this whole joke like the definition of artificial intelligence |
| 1:57.0 | is whatever computers can't do yet. |
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