Welcome to Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture, a podcast from Talbot School

Theology here at Biola University.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics.

We're here today with a very special

guest. One of our own colleagues here at Talbot, Dr. Kyle Strobel, who is

Associate Professor of Spiritual Theology. He has more degrees than a

thermometer and he has degrees in philosophy and new testament and a PhD in theology from the University

of Aberdeen.

He's been teaching here for several years and is a prolific author.

It sort of runs in the family, I think.

But we've just got recently a revised edition

of his terrific book on leadership and power,

particularly in the church,

it's entitled The Way of the Dragon or The Way of the Lamb.

Subtitled, Searching for Jesus Path of Power

in a church that has abandoned it.

So Kyle, welcome, great to have you with us,

and congrats on the revised edition of the book coming out.

We'll talk in just a moment about why you had to revise it,

because there's a story behind that, too.

So first, tell us about the imagery that formed the title of the book.

What what are you trying to communicate with that? Yeah, yeah no thanks Scott. I know it's so good to be here with you and

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