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Carlos Booser with us, his new book is Every Shot Counts, a memoir of resilience.

Always good talking to Carlos. Good to see you again. What would you identify, Carlos,

as landmark resilience when it was required of you? When I go through all of the

resilience that was required to get to, you know, professional basketball, what do you point at

and say, this is what tested me the most. Matt, great question. Great to be on the show,

guys. Thanks for having me, but so much, man. I mean, from, you know, being a kid and you're,

you know, you go to your seven great class and they say, hey, what do you want to do when you get

older? What do you want to be when you grow up? And I'm like, I want to be an NBA player.

And your teacher's like, ah, you should lower your expectations and, you know, maybe go work at Costco

or local, you know, grocery store. And as a 12 year old, when you hear that from a teacher,

it could either derail you or it can motivate you. And that was like one of the first stops, right?

Then, you know, along your journey, you have some roadblocks where you want to reach certain

goals. You don't get there, but getting knocked down, you get back up and keep fighting. You know,

for me, it was like, I remember like my sophomore year and college went out for the USA team,

got cut from the team that went over to Japan. And I was like, man, this is, this is a drag,

because I'm, you know, obviously I want to be a great player. I came back and just went to work

in the lab. We want to championship that year. Obviously, they got on to the NBA. Another,

another landmark for me was going second round. I thought I had a great three years at Duke.

We want to championship. I was named BSP and big men of the year, but still somehow found myself

in the second round. And easy. I mean, I could have took that and felt offended or, you know,

entitled, but instead I was like, I'm still honored to get to hear my name get called because there's

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