Welcome back to another episode of post-mortem.

I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green.

And today we're discussing the death of Alex Penning.

She was last seen alive by her former co-worker Matthew Ecker, with whom

she also had a one-time affair. Now, he called 911 after he said she shot herself with his gun.

But investigators would unravel a different story. So with me now to discuss this mysterious case, a CBS news correspondent

Natalie Morales and 48 hours producer, Betsy Schuller. Thank you so much for joining us, guys.

Of course. Thanks for having us. Good to be with you again, Anne-Marie. If you have not listened to

the 48 hours episode that we're about to talk about yet. You can find the full audio version

just below this episode in your podcast feed. So go take a listen and then come on back for this

conversation. All right. So the title of this episode is the strange shooting of Alex Penning.

It's a great title because it was a strange one. And this was one hour where I found

myself completely convinced of a different scenario every five seconds. One of the things that I was

watching is Matthew Eckers' reaction. He was certainly incredibly distraught. He was breaking

down. But I couldn't tell if I thought it was too much

or not. You interviewed the first responders. What was their impression of Ecker when they spoke to him?

You know, I think that's what was so fascinating is that we had so much of that body cam footage.

First responders were with him for about an hour, and that's what

everybody was looking at and analyzing. And it's not just the amount of footage, but it's also that

it's minutes right after Alex was shot. I think people enter a situation and look at things and say,

okay, does it seem genuine? Does it not seem genuine? And I think

first responders analyze all the evidence in front of them as he was very distraught and grieving and

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