Welcome to postmortem.

I'm your host, Anne-Marie Green.

And today we're discussing the Hahn family murders.

In March of 2016, the bodies of Dr. Henry Hahn, his wife, Jenny, and their five-year-old

daughter, Emily, were discovered wrapped in plastic in the family's garage. Now, there is a lot to

get into here. So joining me now is 48 hours correspondent, Natalie Morales, who worked on this

hour. Natalie, thanks for joining us again.

Thanks for having me once again, Amory. And of course, a reminder to everyone that if you

haven't listened to the 48 hours episode that we're about to discuss, head on over to your

podcast feed. You'll find the full audio version there, take a listen, and then come on back.

So shortly after police discover the bodies of Dr. Hahn and his wife, Jenny, and their

daughter, a trail of evidence led them to Pierre Hobbsch.

He's a former business associate of Dr. Hans.

And in the hour, the prosecutor called Pierre a lying liar who lies about lying.

It certainly seems like he was able to spin stories quite well, well enough to, I mean,

endear himself to some pretty smart people. What do we actually know about

Pierre, though, and his connection to Dr. Hahn? Well, Dr. Henry Hahn had hired Pierre to develop

a CBD product, and it was part of his new business venture that he had started with a couple of other partners.

But he then fired Pierre once he discovered that Pierre had been using his credit card to charge for escort services, among other things, on his business account.

However, just weeks before the murders, it seemed like Pierre was able to

get back into Henry's good graces. Now, prosecutors, as you mentioned, describe him as a lying

liar who lies about lying, and they describe him as a career con man. I should point out, he was

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