Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. I just wrapped up a special episode of Meet the Press where

we spent most of the program showing you our sit down with Vice President Mike Pence.

He discussed Mr. Trump's third run for the presidency, the GOP's midterm losses, his

own political future. Sitting here now with Peter Baker, he's the Chief White House

correspondent for the New York Times. He's also covered the Trump Pents Administration

and written a book about Donald Trump with his wife Susan Glasser. So Peter, welcome

back to the podcast. So, would you take away from Pence?

Well, first of all, it's a great interview. I think you were saying. No, I know you're

not fishing. I actually think it was a great interview because you saw in Pence this

line he's trying to straddle between defending his decision to stand up to Trump on January

6th and yet trying to wrap himself in the Trump mantle. And that's a really hard thing

to do. He doesn't have an obvious lane in the Republican. Especially since Donald Trump's

running. Exactly. I mean, Brendan Buck put it well in our pan. He's like, you know, the

campaign makes a lot of sense if Trump's out running. Exactly. But he is running. And

so, first of all, he's not Trump. He'll never be Trump. He'll never have the same appeal

to the Trump base as Trump, especially the base that was chanting, hang Mike Pence

just a year and a half ago. But he also doesn't have the never Trump side of the party because

he's not willing to break the Trump in a real way. He's proud of being Trump's vice president.

You can't disown it. That is his legacy. I don't know if you caught this. I'm sure you

did because you're like your news organizations like ours. You get all these, you know,

we have people on the ground at these big events, Republican Jewish coalition. And Larry

Hogan was gaggling with reporters after his speech to the Republican Jewish coalition.

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