Hello there, I'm Chuck Todd. I just got off the meat press set, wrapped up interviews with

NASA Administrator Bill Nelson ahead of America's plan to send humanity back to the moon

and Congressman Adam Kinzinger, one of the two Republicans in the January 6 panel. Even

name checked, my next guest during the broadcast this morning, so I'm sitting here with Rich

Lowry, Editor of National Review. Well, Rich, welcome back to the Todd Castle.

Thanks for having me.

I didn't expect you to...

Yeah, thanks for...

I know we have to be thrown under the bus, Chuck.

With no opportunity to respond.

That was great.

There you go.

It was not my intention. It was an interesting point that I thought maybe we would... that

he would want to entertain and he didn't.

It's interesting, he got after... he complained that you're an anti-antitrunker. Talk about

that debate.

So, welcome to my world, first of all. I write this New York Times op-ed saying Trump

did trouble things on January 6th, but going after him, the legal realm presents complications

and has significant downsides to it. I think there are 2,400 comments. All of them were

like, you're a pro-Trump. You're a Trump hack. I can write other things and get the

exact opposite reaction from Trump people. You're a tool of the mainstream media. You hate

Trump. You're a never-trumper. You're never going to give up. The succession of yours

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