Hey, Polpa Chair.

It's tax on tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

Ask yourself.

Do I look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for riders? Really?

I want a safe America, safe from COVID, safe from crime and looting, safe from racially motivated violence, safe from bad cops.

Let me be crystal clear, safe from four more years of Donald Trump.

Well, Murphy, that kind of cuts to the crux of it. Joe Biden is really a frustrating target for Donald Trump because he doesn't look the part of the radical left-wing socialist who's tearing society apart.

Well, you know, I thought that was a great line when he said, you know, look at me. I'm not a radical socialist. I can tell you in the spirit of Jack Benny.

I was thinking for a minute, but no, I don't think he is. I think there are some headwinds in one wing of his party, but I thought that was a great political move and a needed one to get out in front and define himself and not be swept up and, you know, all Trump's rhetoric to try to move the campaign to something other than firing Trump.

So great day for Biden, good speech. And let's talk about it with our guest today. We have a superstar, HackerRoo joining us. You want to introduce David? Introduce him, David, you've worked together?

Well, we actually, we will, we will be working together because a dissuade de Macy is going to be a fellow at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics this fall.

But most recently he managed the the Democratic National Convention for the Biden campaign. I worked with our buddy Stephanie Cutter who who managed it from the DNC side.

And and before that was Cory Booker's campaign manager and one of the brightest lights I dealt with during that campaign as I was covering that campaign for CNN. So welcome, my friend.

Yeah, welcome. Thank you. Good to be here with two of the greatest hacks, HackerRoo's.

Well, the oldest hacks. That's probably true or to to the point there. But you know, before we get into I want we we are at this pivotal moment in the campaign.

And I really, you know, we should lay it out as it is before we do. I just want your quick thoughts on the RNC from the standpoint of someone who was deeply involved in constructing the DNC.

What was what what what did they accomplish? What didn't they accomplish? What was your sense watching it as a competing producer?

Yeah, I I mean, I don't think they accomplished much, but you know, our convention, the Democratic convention was intended to both sort of solidify our base and reach out to disaffected Republicans, moderates, independents, who may have voted for Trump in 2016, but who are skeptical now, if not totally decided, not to vote for him this time.

And I think we accomplished both those things. Trump essentially doubled down on his base, which was already with him to start with and you know made a few token appear, you know, attempts to outreach to to the center, but even the polling we've seen from ABC and others this week has shown that it didn't really move the needle for him.

But it certainly moved the needle for the Democrats in terms of Biden's favorability rating at least. And at this point, that's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at the horse race. I'm looking at do people, you know, like Joe Biden, do they like Donald Trump? Do they think he deserves four more years? Do they think Biden will be a viable replacement? And I think Democrats did what we needed to do is in terms of putting Biden in that position and Trump just did more of the same. We've seen for three and a half years. And I don't think it's going to do much for him along with.

Did you guys expect anything different though? Because Trump always has what I call primary items, you know, everything to him is a Republican primary. I don't know if he got the memo that he won.

So that was the Trump convention. I kind of expected doubling down on the voters he already has, which are not the voters he needs. I give him a better grade than I would have going in just based on the general incompetence. I see around Trump land that they were smart enough not to be too ambitious with production pick one set.

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