‘Possibility Of Life’ Book, PFAS Sewage, ‘Smart’ Play. April 14, 2023, Part 2
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🗓️ 14 April 2023
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Summary
It’s one of humanity’s biggest fundamental questions: “Is there life elsewhere in the universe?” But despite years of searching, it’s a query that still has no answer. That conundrum also opens up a whole string of other inquiries, from how to best search for signs of life, to whether we’ll be able to make sense of what we’re seeing.
The search for life elsewhere can also help us learn about our own existence. How many of what we consider the basic rules of life on earth are really just suggestions, or convenient accidents?
A new book tackles these riddles through the lens of both science and science fiction. Science writer Jaime Green, author of the book, The Possibility of Life: Science, Imagination, and our Quest for Kinship in the Cosmos, joins Ira to talk about the science, history, and philosophy of our search for alien lifeforms, and takes questions from callers.
The SciFri Book Club will be reading this book together in May—you can read along with us next month. Find everything you need to know on our May Book Club page.
Farm Fertilizers Can Contain ‘Forever Chemicals’ From Sewage
The Deer Island Wastewater Treatment Plant is a pollution success story. Over the last several decades, it transformed Boston Harbor from a nationally embarrassing cesspool into a swimmable bay.
The treatment plant takes everything the people of Greater Boston send down their sinks, toilets, showers and washing machines — plus industrial waste — and treats it. The treated water is clean enough to let out into the ocean. The remaining sludge gets recycled into fertilizer that’s used in nearly 20 states.
But now that fertilizer is raising fresh concerns. That’s because wastewater treatment plants like Deer Island were not built to handle the toxic “forever chemicals” known as PFAS.
The treatment process concentrates PFAS chemicals in the sludge, and therefore in the fertilizer, leading environmentalists and public health advocates to call for an immediate end to its use. Others are not sure that a full ban on sludge-based fertilizer, or “biosolids,” is the answer. But there is widespread agreement that we have only begun to grasp the extent of the problem.
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When AI And Dementia Intersect
As AI becomes more advanced, it’s also becoming a bigger part of our lives. That’s especially true of smart speakers, which to some of us, act as another member of a family: answering simple questions, reminding us about appointments, and entertaining children. But what parts of our privacy are we giving up to make our lives slightly more convenient?
That’s the focus of a new play called “Smart,” which tells the story of four characters: a woman, her aging mother who has dementia, an AI programmer who works for a tech company, and a smart speaker named Jenny.
Ira speaks with the writer of “Smart,” Mary Elizabeth Hamilton, about how she wrote the play, how the science behind AI inspired its plot, and the connections between AI hallucinations and dementia-induced hallucinations.
Transcripts for each segment will be available the week after the show airs on sciencefriday.com.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Science Friday. I'm a replete. Later in the hour, a new play about smart speakers, AI |
| 0:06.7 | and dementia, an interesting combination, and how PFAS chemicals end up in fertilizer |
| 0:12.8 | by way of sewage sludge. But first, it's one of the biggest fundamental questions, |
| 0:18.5 | is there life elsewhere in the universe? That question, you know, it opens up a whole string |
| 0:24.3 | of others like, how do we look for it? Will we know it? If we see it, will we be able to make |
| 0:30.5 | sense of what we're seeing? And how many of what we consider the basic rules of life here on Earth |
| 0:36.6 | are really just suggestions? Maybe they know works so well. Some place else. Well, my next guest |
| 0:43.5 | tackles these questions in a whole lot more through the lens of both science and science fiction. |
| 0:48.7 | And we want to hear your thoughts as well. What would most intrigue you about finding a new kind of |
| 0:53.7 | life? What questions do you have? You make the call, but you have to make the call. Our number is |
| 0:58.0 | 844-724-8255-844-Saitok or Tweetas at Siphray. Jamie Green is a science writer and author of the book, |
| 1:07.1 | The Possibility of Life, Science, Imagination, and our quest for kinship into cosmos. Out next week |
| 1:13.2 | from Hanover Square Press, she joins me from the studios of Connecticut Public and Hartford. Welcome |
| 1:18.2 | to Science Friday. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Nice to have you. I just want to tell our |
| 1:22.9 | listeners that the Siphray Book Club, yes, we'll be reading this book together in May and you |
| 1:28.8 | can read along with us next month more information at science Friday.com slash book club. |
| 1:36.0 | Let's get right into this. Let's start with the basics. How do we define life because it doesn't |
| 1:40.3 | sound from reading your excellent book that we really quite have the answer to that? No, we absolutely |
| 1:46.1 | don't. And there's actually a school of thought that looking for a definition of life is a totally |
| 1:51.4 | misguided project. Carl Sagan wrote this essay in the 70s about all the possible definitions we |
| 1:58.4 | like for life that we have. And for every single one you can find exceptions. If you say that life |
| 2:05.0 | consumes fuel to self-sustaining itself through energy, well, so does a fire. And the reason that |
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