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🗓️ 17 September 2025
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In this episode of Positive Leadership Wednesday, I dig into why the real issue is often deeper than it appears, “the thing you think is the thing, is not the thing.” I explain how challenges like employee turnover usually stem from deeper problems, like hiring practices, engagement, and relationships. Discover why looking beyond the surface helps you solve the right problems and lead more effectively. If this insight hits home, share the episode with someone looking to grow as a positive leader!
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, this is John Gordon with your positive leadership tip. |
| 0:06.1 | So often the thing that we think is the thing is actually not the thing at all. |
| 0:12.5 | What is the thing? |
| 0:13.6 | And what am I talking about? |
| 0:15.0 | Well, it could be anything. |
| 0:17.7 | Like, let's look at turnover in companies. |
| 0:20.4 | Leaders will often have issues of turnover that |
| 0:23.0 | cost the company a lot of money. So they look at turnover and they think turnover is the issue, |
| 0:28.7 | but turnover is really not the thing. What is the thing? So often, it's our hiring practices. |
| 0:36.5 | Are we screening people to make sure they're the right people |
| 0:39.8 | during the hiring process? Do we perhaps sugarcoat the position and the job? So when they get |
| 0:45.8 | into the job, the reality doesn't match the sugarcoated description. And then once they're working, |
| 0:52.4 | are we training them properly and are we developing |
| 0:55.7 | a relationship and engaging them as team members and employees? And so it's not really about |
| 1:02.3 | turn over. It's about building relationships with those you hire. It's about engaging them. |
| 1:08.0 | It's about training them. It's about hiring them the right way. A lot of |
| 1:12.1 | factors go into it. So the thing that we think is the thing is not the thing. It's so many other things. |
| 1:19.2 | And life is all about that. And leadership is all about that. You have to actually find the main |
| 1:25.7 | thing. Go deeper. So often it's not surface level. Two people getting into an |
| 1:31.6 | argument is so often not about the topic they're arguing about. It's about the fact that they |
| 1:37.4 | have issues and wounds and these wounds are revealed or triggered by the topic and the things |
| 1:43.7 | that they then argue about, but it's not |
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