This is exactly right.

Everyone thinks they'd never join a cult.

But it happens all the time to people just like you.

And people just like us.

I'm Lola Blanc.

And I'm Megan Elizabeth.

We're the hosts of Trust Me, a podcast about cults, manipulation, and the psychology of belief.

Each week, we talk to fellow survivors, former believers, and experts to understand why people

get pulled in and how they get out.

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I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson. I'm a journalist who spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved, and some are cold, very cold.

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This is Buried Bones. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate. How are you?

Overwhelmed with this case.

I was just joking, you know, we should make this like a triple

parter. I think people would be upset about that. This is like a, this is a docus

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