Porn and Masculinity: How to Teach Kids about Sex and Relationships (Jordan Stephens)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 4 December 2025
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
How is online porn affecting sex and relationships? In this episode, musician and campaigner Jordan Stephens calls for a new approach to sex education and a modern redefinition of masculinity.
From Paris Hilton to Bonnie Blue and AI generated porn he discusses how sexual content is evolving and the impact it is having on young people’s lives.
Jordan also explains how his childhood and the whirlwind fame he found with Rizzle Kicks led to heartbreak and addiction.
And how that led him to become an advocate for boys and men.
(00:02:30) Why Jordan became an advocate for boys and men?
(00:08:30) Jordan’s childhood
(00:12:17) Reflections on fame
(00:13:36) How he learned about healthy relationships
(00:15:30) Is there a crisis of masculinity?
(00:20:25) The reality of pornography
(00:28:50) How he would design the sex education curriculum?
(00:31:26) AI and pornography
(00:38:25) Thoughts on Bonnie Blue
(00:42:30) Legalisation of sex work and drugs
(00:45:25) What his partner, the popstar Jade Thirwall, has taught him about relationships
(00:47:30) Politics and young people
(00:54:50) Amol’s reflections
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music Radio Podcasts. |
| 0:05.0 | Hello, it's Amal here. Welcome to radical conversations about the deep global trends changing our world and offering you some |
| 0:21.6 | radical ideas for the future. Today we're diving into a topic that is, well, it's often |
| 0:26.5 | treated as taboo, wrapped in controversy and secrecy and certainly plenty of misinformation. |
| 0:32.6 | But my guest this week is helping to lead a campaign that aims to bring a lot more openness, |
| 0:37.5 | honesty and accountability to the conversation around porn. My guest this week is helping to lead a campaign that aims to bring a lot more openness, |
| 0:41.7 | honesty and accountability to the conversation around porn. |
| 0:46.9 | Pornography has effectively become the UK's number one sex educator. |
| 0:52.1 | According to research by the media company Ladd Bible, 70% of men say porn was their first exposure to sex. |
| 0:53.7 | A pretty striking statistic when you consider how regularly young people are consuming it. |
| 0:57.8 | And of course, all of this in ways that we've discussed before in this podcast and we'll discuss, |
| 1:02.6 | I'm sure in future, is being accelerated and supercharged by AI. |
| 1:07.9 | So joining me this week is Jordan Stevens, one half of the hip-hop duo Rizzle Kicks, |
| 1:12.8 | who's become a powerful advocate for healthier, smarter, wiser and maybe more open and honest |
| 1:18.0 | conversations about issues like masculinity and manhood in today's society. |
| 1:31.2 | Hello, Jordan Stevens is here. |
| 1:31.9 | How are you, man? |
| 1:32.4 | I'm good. |
| 1:33.4 | I'm good, yeah. |
| 1:34.2 | How are you? |
| 1:36.1 | Excited to talk about porn. |
| 1:37.6 | Yeah? |
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