Populism Will Eat Itself? – How Orbán’s defeat changes the game

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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Politics, Government, Society & Culture, News

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🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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The stunning defeat of Viktor Orbán and his “illiberal democracy” project in Hungary appears to be a humiliating blow to Trump, Vance, Putin, Farage, and populists across the world. (Who will host their get-togethers now?) But is it really the beginning of the end for far-right authoritarianism, or something more complex? Jason Pack – host of the Disorder podcast and Associate Fellow at the Royal United Services Institute – talks to Andrew Harrison about why Orbán fell, where the “neopopulist” go next, and what fans of democracy should learn from Peter Magyar’s victory. • Support us on Patreon to join the Oh God, What Now vs Origin Story Podclash on Thursday 30 April. FURTHER READING FROM JASON • Listen to the Disorder podcast with Jason Pack • Ordering the Disorder Substack: The Heart of Europe beats Stronger than ever • How Orban led to Trump. • Hungary’s Lessons for Trump’s Opponents: Viktor Orbán’s critics had to put their ideological differences aside. www.patreon.com/bunkercast Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Audio production by Tom Taylor and Robin Leeburn. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Artwork by James Parrett. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. www.podmasters.co.uk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:52.6	Hello and welcome back to the bunker where we sought the news and the nonsense every weekday morning.
0:57.1	I'm Andrew Harrison.
0:58.4	Today, the dust is still settling from Peter Mujer's stunning victory in the Hungarian national election,
1:04.6	deposing the corrupt Putin protégé and Trump ally Victor Orban after 16 years in power
1:09.6	and promising a return to the European
1:11.5	family for a country that Orban had made at best a nuisance and at worse, a pariah.
1:17.1	Many of us are hoping that the crushing defeat for Fidesz means a glimmer of hope for the
1:21.5	decline of far-right populism across the world, that if Hungary can reject Auburn's
1:25.7	liberal democracy, then so could other countries
1:28.2	around the world. But are we fooling ourselves? Friend of the podcast, Jason Pack, is the host of
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