Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, your spiritual cleanse of music criticism.

I'm your host Karen Gans.

I think I lost myself in your new religion.

You say I pray for me like a superstition.

We were always made for loud. We could always speak in tongues on my knees and I'm seeing visions.

Yeah, you remind me that seven sins are deadly.

That is the sound of Tyler Glenn's song Trash from his debut solo album X Communication,

which is out October 21st. And you could call this a breakup record, but it's an unusual breakup

record, because the subject of some of the songs is a romantic partner and the

subject of the other songs is a religion.

And we have Tyler here with us now.

Hey Tyler, and we're going to talk about it.

Yeah, I want to.

So a little backstory, Tyler and I first met two years ago

in 2014 when I wrote a story for Rolling Stone

called Gay Mormon and finally out, which I think kind of says it all.

But let's give them like a two-sentence summary of what we did in April 2014.

You came to Tiny Pleasant Grove, Utah where I was living at the time and we hung out for

a couple days and I was coming out as gay.

And it was like a little extra complicated because you have you had been or you have been

well we'll get to that a Mormon your entire life yeah so I proudly came out as gay and

Mormon which I think complicated things a little bit further for a while.

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