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Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic. Each weekday we bring you a meditation inspired by the ancient Stoic, something that can help you live up to those four

Stoic virtues of courage, justice, wisdom, and temperance. And here on the weekend we take a deeper dive into those same topics. We interview Stoic philosophers, we reflect, we prepare, we think deeply about the challenging issues of our time. And we work through this philosophy in a way that's more possible here when we're not rushing to work or to get the kids to school.

We have the time to think, to go for a walk, to sit with our journals and to prepare for what the future will bring.

Hey, everyone. My guest today needs almost no introduction. Camilla Cabello, multi-platinum musician, one of the biggest pop stars in the world.

Billions of streams across all the streaming platforms, you've heard her on the radio a million times, she's great. And you might not know that she is a fan of Stoic philosophy.

I found this out when I got a message from someone on Instagram, they said, how dare you not acknowledge what Camilla Cabello said about you on Instagram.

And I said, what are you talking about? And I looked and Camilla had posted a page from the Daily Stoic and we ended up connecting, which was so cool.

And we've become, I would like to say friends, we've tech shared some book recommendations and gone back and forth. And I said, hey, do you want to do the podcast?

Thinking that she probably has way, way better things to do. And I'm sure a million requests to be on a million platforms. But she said, yes, which was awesome. And so we had a great conversation.

I'm coming to you from Arizona visiting some family. You did a great conversation over Zoom. Unfortunately, couldn't be in person. But here is my interview with Camilla Cabello.

We should thank Sean Mendes, her boyfriend for doing tech support. We had some tech issues. So if it drops for a minute and then comes back, you'll understand why. But here's my interview. And I think you will enjoy these philosophical perspectives from someone who has seen the world who is literally Cinderella. She's playing Cinderella in the new Sony Pictures movie.

Someone who's experiencing adversity and difficulty just like the rest of us, what do you do when your business is performing in front of large groups of people and traveling. And suddenly you can't do that anymore. And you might not be able to do that for six months to another year.

What do you do when life forces you to reconsider what you want your lifestyle to look like, what you want your routines to look like, what you want your focus and priorities to look like when Marx really says no role is so well suited to philosophy as the one we're in right now.

He meant that about his life as an emperor, but it also applies to being a pop star, being an actress, being a girl in her 20s, being a guy in his 30s, being a father, being single, being an artist, being an entrepreneur, being whatever you are, we can all apply philosophy.

In fact, we should be applying this philosophy because it makes us better as the stoic say nothing prevents us from operating always with courage, justice, moderation and wisdom. Those are the themes of my interview with Camilla Cabello. Enjoy.

I'm so excited. I got a, I had my wife give me a haircut just for this.

Oh, you look great.

It's weird times. I wish we could do this in person, but of course here we are.

But here we are. What time is it where you are? It is nine o'clock where I am.

Oh, nice. Do you get up at like three o'clock in the morning?

We, I got up it, I think six a.m. this morning, but that's because we have kids. And so we don't have any choice about when we wake up.

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