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Pop Culture News, RHOBH and Karen Huger’s Sherri interview with Mary Payne from @pinkshadepod

Your Bish Therapist

Melissa Reich

Tv & Film, True Crime, Society & Culture

4.6605 Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Melissa and Mary Payne start by discussing Jill Zarin and Taylor Armstrong under fire after racist remarks leading Jill to be fired from E! They also discuss the death of James Van Der Beek, explaining how cancer can bankrupt families due to systemic failing of the American health care system.
Mary Payne and Melissa discuss personal life-threatening illnesses leading to discussion about healthcare, MH and PTSD.
The duo then discuss RHOBH including Rachel Zoe and Boz shifting the culture of the franchise, Dorit vs. Pk, Kyle and Mau and more.
Lastly, they discuss Karen Huger’s recent interview with Sherri Shepard including a discussion of addiction.
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0:00.0

Hi, friends, and welcome to another episode of your Bish Therapist podcast. And today, I am so happy to have our

0:07.2

friend from Pinkshade, Mary Payne Gilbert, back. Hi, Mary Payne. Thank you for being here. Thank you for

0:14.1

having me. This is going to be fun. We've got a lot of shit to talk about. We do. And it's funny because I was just on your podcast. Yes.

0:23.8

And we also had a lot of shit to talk about, but there has been so much more that has happened.

0:31.0

In like a day and a half. Yeah. Yes. Yes. So let's get into it. First, we're going to start by talking a little bit about Jill Zarin and Taylor Armstrong, Woof, being canceled due to their racist rants about Bad Bunny, which Mary Payne, can I tell you something on my Instagram?

1:00.4

My following is growing, and while I'm grateful for that, it's a mixed bag.

1:07.2

When I've posted, you know, we don't really necessarily talk politics here, but like therapy is political, right?

1:11.8

Being a therapist, I'd be the worst therapist in the world if I advocated against marginalized communities and things like that. That's just not how, you know, therapists need to be

1:16.9

aware of the community at large and the culture and what's going on. When I posted about this,

1:22.7

things in the past, when I posted about ICE or whatever it was, didn't lose any followers,

1:27.4

had no issues. But when I posted about Jill Z whatever it was, didn't lose any followers, had no issues.

1:28.6

But when I posted about Jill Zerrin and Bad Bunny, people came from my ass so hard and I thought,

1:35.5

what is happening here? Yeah. Yeah. What's happening here, Mary Payne? I don't know. I didn't know

1:42.2

Jill had that many fans. I mean, that's, or Bad Bunny had so many haters. Like, I don't know. I didn't know Jill had that many fans. I mean, that's or Bad Bunny had so many

1:47.0

haters. Like, I don't, people like racism. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that

1:53.8

would be about. That's weird to me. People who feel the same way as Jill and there's a lot of them,

1:58.6

which, you know, there's a lot of people who are racist. That's

2:01.7

unfortunately, that's how it is. I think sometimes people are, they don't like feeling like their

2:07.5

behaviors are called out. That would be my best guess. But so essentially what happened is Jill

2:12.8

Zerran went on this rant about, you know, we're celebrating 250 years of America and she didn't think

2:18.8

it was appropriate for the show to be in Spanish. There was not one white person there. I mean,

2:25.2

she just made so many ridiculous comments. And Taylor Armstrong also kind of mimicked her thoughts, but she didn't do a video. It was just a post. Now, since that time, Jill has been fired and I've never seen Bravo fans unite over an issue like this in my life.

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