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Past Present Future

Politics on Trial: Nelson Mandela vs Apartheid

Past Present Future

D&HR Media Ltd

History, Politics, News, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.7 • 747 Ratings

🗓️ 14 December 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Today’s episode explores the trials of Nelson Mandela, variously charged by South Africa’s apartheid state with treason, incitement, illegal foreign travel, sabotage and conspiracy across a decade that saw him more often in court than out. How did Mandela defend himself? What changed from his first trial to his last? Could any justice be found in a system of blatant oppression? And what happens when the line between lawyer, defendant and prisoner becomes impossibly blurred? The final film in our season at the Regent Street Cinema in London is coming up on Friday 19th December: a screening of David Cronenberg’s A Dangerous Method followed by a live recording of PPF with writer, psychoanalyst and feminist Susie Orbach. Do join us – tickets are still available https://bit.ly/3KHBp3g Next time we start our season of Films of Ideas: Hitchcock’s Rope w/Nicci Gerrard and Sean French Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, my name's David Rundsenman and this is past, present, future, the History of Ideas podcast.

0:15.0

Today, in Politics on Trial, I am talking about the trials, not just one trial, the many trials of Nelson Mandela in apartheid South Africa.

0:28.0

Many trials and not just one outcome, a whole number of different outcomes, that between them captured the freedom struggle in South Africa.

0:40.3

As I'm guessing is pretty well known, Nelson Mandela spent an extraordinary amount of time in prison.

0:52.3

Most of it, not all of it on the notorious Robin Island, the place where

0:56.8

the apartheid regime held non-white political prisoners in pretty brutal conditions. In total,

1:05.5

Nelson Mandela spent 27 years of his life behind bars, nearly a third of his long life. But it's also true that

1:14.0

before that he was jailed in 1962, before he was first jailed, though he'd been held in

1:21.4

custody at various points. He spent an amazing amount of time in court, in courtrooms, courts of law. In the decade before

1:32.2

1962, he spent years in court. Now, this is partly because Nelson Mandela was a lawyer.

1:41.0

He set up with his friend and co-freedom fighter in the ANC, Oliver Tambo, the firm of

1:48.6

Mandela and Tambo, which was the only firm in Johannesburg, based in downtown Johannesburg,

1:55.8

offering to represent in court black South Africans in their fights against overwhelming odds against

2:04.0

repressive apartheid laws, the various ways in which the South African state used law to repress

2:11.5

its black citizens. Oliver Tambo, who went on to be the leader of the ANC in exile, he spent 27 years, not exclusively,

2:20.9

but primarily based in London, when Mandela was in Robin Island. Tambo was the guy behind the scenes.

2:28.4

Mandela always glamorous, charismatic, a natural leader, also a natural lawyer, was the one who went to court on behalf of

2:37.2

their clients, went over the road from their office to the magistrates court in Johannesburg

2:41.9

to represent black South Africans, often against hopeless odds. So he spent a lot of time in court

2:48.6

simply on behalf of his clients, but he also, in that decade, spent a lot of time in court simply on behalf of his clients, but he also, in that decade,

2:53.0

spent a lot of time in court as a defendant.

2:57.1

He spent years of his life defending himself or being defended by other lawyers in South African

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