Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantine Kissinger. And this is a

show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people. Now as you know we spend a

lot of time talking about the culture one. Today we have someone who can actually take us a

level above that and look at some of the bigger processes that are happening under all of that.

Jordan, welcome to Trigonometry. Yeah, thanks. I'm interested to find out with the conversation

and thoughts. Well, we will we will find out. But listen, I was saying to you before we started,

we recently interviewed David Fuller from Rebel Wisdom. And that's how we came across your stuff.

And I just thought you have such a much broader conceptual frame to discuss many of the things

that are happening in society. Things that we've talked about on the show whether that's the

culture war, whether that's the changes that are happening in the media landscape, the politics

of the last four years, which you've all are all things that you've talked about. As I say,

from a much broader perspective, you've talked about how the changes that have occurred in the

last century, let's say, in terms of technological progress, in terms of the explosion and the

population, in terms of the breakdown of what you call the blue church, in particular the sort of

down from authority communication to a group of people, in terms of mass communication, all that sort

of stuff. So the question I want to stop by asking you is, what the hell is going on in the

world and why is it happening? Hmm. Oh, okay. Well, there's, let me see, maybe do this in multiple

different levels. So the first point, lots of things. And that's against maybe the first insight

is that if you try to reduce it down to any small number of things, you're definitely doing it

at a disservice, likely confusing yourself or potentially lying down to people. So lots of things

are going on in the world. And they're happening at different levels, like some things are happening

at, I don't know how we say it, at a at a scale, a spatial scale and a temporal scale that we might

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