Hey, welcome to Politics by Faith. We did a special on the TV, the first TV, called The New Space Race.

And here are our second, the second half of the special, where we talked to an actual astronaut.

That's pretty cool, who's very critical of NASA and what they're doing right now.

So it's time for a major shift, a major change. I think the Trump administration understands this.

We talked with him. And then I did my best at bringing the Bible into this, talking about Isaac Newton and how there's this belief today that to be a scientist, you need to be atheist. That's a very new belief. The greatest scientist of all time, Isaac Newton, who was very much a Christian, spent most of his time as a theologian.

So we talk about that and what this and what the Bible has to say about space as well.

Enjoy.

Welcome back to our special, the new space race.

What an honor to talk to a real-life astronaut, Dr. Charles Camarada. He was the

NASA Director of Engineering at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, and he's the author of

Mission Out of Control. And I should note that his first space flight was NASA's return to flight

mission, the first mission after the loss of the

space shuttle, Colombia.

Sir, an honor to talk to you.

Thank you for being here.

Thanks for having me, Mike.

Before we get to NASA and the future of space travel, can you help me understand the courage that it took to get into a rocket ship

after what happened with Columbia? What was in your head the night before as you walk into the

shuttle as you're taking off? What is going through your head all those times?

Well actually we were very well trained. We trained for about two years.

And so we were all very calm. We know what the risks are. We know that space shuttle,

you have a risk of one in 67 that you might not come back.

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